Wednesday, February 18, 2015

Why officials in Kiev condemned thousands of old soldiers to certain death under Debaltseve

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Why officials in Kiev condemned thousands of old soldiers to certain death under Debaltseve 

______________________________________ Pindos-Bandera junta has once again rejected the proposal of the DNI authorities to withdraw from the warriors ukrovermahta debaltsevskogo "boiler" without weapons, again repeating the favorite Pindos-Bandera propaganda mantra that there is no "pot" is not. 

In an interview with the Latvian radio Baltkom Deputy Head of Information and Analytical Center of the NSDC ukroreyha Vladimir Field said that Sun ukrovermahta can get out of the environment only by military operations. "The withdrawal is considered. But we are talking about a military operation - when our troops break through the defense with a gun. About any surrender of the question. " According to Field, the city enough manpower and equipment not only for a breakthrough, but also to keep Debaltseve."There is enough troops to keep the strategically important town. 

We are talking about holding positions in the so-called "debaltsevskoy arc." These positions are communication and communication with the main parts of the sun ukrovermahta.Debaltseve should remain with the Banderostanom (junta occupied territory of Ukraine) in accordance with the spirit and letter of the Minsk Agreement ", - said Field. Earlier, authorities DNR considering Debaltsevskogo zone "pot" as a territory that should go to the People's Republic, declared their readiness to ukrofashistam provide "green corridor", but only on condition that they leave the weapons and equipment. "At this point, we believe it is our home territory, will offer" green corridor "for sun ukrovermahta. They can go out without weapons and without technology, "- said Vice Speaker DNI Dennis Pushilin. 

According to him, in Debaltseve are from 6 to 8 thousand ukrofashistskih warriors. The head of the press center "ATO" ukrovermahta Motuzyanyk Alexander said that the information about the delivery of military armed forces ukrovermahta prisoner untrue and "extends to discredit the armed forces of the junta." Speaker headquarters "ATO" ukrofashist Andrei Lysenko also goes on to state that, despite the fierce fighting on the outskirts of the city and the tense situation in the area of the railway station, the military armed forces ukrovermahta continue to hold the position. 

Meanwhile, Bandera zhurnashlyushka Olga Germanova writes that warriors battalion "Kievan Rus" (Bandera srus) stationed near the village commune under Debaltseve promise to hold no more than 12 hours."If help does not come, they were all sdohunt" - quoted banderoagenstvo. It is worth mentioning that a similar situation was in the summer with Ilovaiskaya "pot". Guide Sun ukrovermahta obviously not wanting to acknowledge the existence of "pot", condemns his soldiers to certain death. At first glance, this behavior defies logic.

However, given that the junta, not expecting to win the real war, trying to win the war information, at least in the minds of its citizens, on which depends the future of the Pindos-Bandera mode, everything falls into place. The aim of the junta is to gain time.At the same time, the real losses they are not interested: Poroshenko, and Yatsenyuk are well aware that they are temporary worker and pay for their actions sooner or later. 

According to another version, the junta's intransigence may be explained by the desire to hide the fact that the area is blocked or Debaltseve Armed Forces NATO, or a large number of foreign nationals with pindostanskim arms. Be that as it may, the fact of defeat debaltsevskoy categories obvious to anyone who has at least some some alternative opindosennomu and banderizovannomu ukrtelevideniyu. And reports the end of stripping Debaltseve already gone on the clock. President of the Center of Systems Analysis and Forecasting Rostislav Ishchenko believes that management's statement about the possibility of Sun ukrovermahta break an acknowledgment of the "boiler": Everything is logical. If the "pot" is not present, and there is no place to break. 

But they have no other option. If they agree on the withdrawal of people without arms, they would sweep over the "betrayal". "SP": - Can anyone escape from the "boiler"? - Someone breaks, someone will surrender into captivity, and someone will die. The only thing we can say for sure that an organized and maintaining combat capability, parts do not come from there. Only small groups demoralized encircled."SP": - Which in this case will be the reaction of the international community? 

- The world community is not uniform. Someone will notice someone declares (as under Ilovaiskaya) that millions of Russian tanks were defeated by the two companies of infantry Ukrainian, someone will accuse the militia of violating the Minsk agreements.

But, in general, is nothing new, we do not hear. Director of the Center for Eurasian Studies Vladimir Kornilov convinced that the Ukrainian authorities and the military in general have not coordinate any actions or statements together. - So in fact it was during the "Ilovaisky pot", and in the storming of the Donetsk airport. Western journalists have already made ​​a full-length coverage of the points on which the flag of New Russia, and Kiev doldonit constantly about his "control", immediately trumpeted the need to provide "humanitarian corridors". 

The whole world has already recognized that Debaltsevsky "pot" there, that Zaharchenko is already in the city Debaltseve. It is no longer possible to deny! But see, another two weeks of inertia Kiev will be talking about their "control" over buffed the Donetsk area. "SP": - Calling his soldiers to go on break, management APU actually buries group, brings her to sacrifice their ambitions? - Again in the same way it was in the "Ilovaiskaya days."

Remember, while zealous battalions threatened march on Kiev? As a result, they were thrown into the inferno, knowing that they are doomed. It would be a desire to Kiev to save the lives of these people - could safely bring them out of Ilovaysk, and from the airport, and even more so, of Debaltseve. But as I understand it, the Kiev "great marshals" more than anything else is not afraid of coming to Kiev Motorola or Putin himself, but the return of the "pot" of angry, armed to the teeth with Ukrainian insurgents, who understand that their own commander in chief and generals threw them on fend for themselves, to certain destruction. 

Therefore, Ukraine itself blocks any attempts to derive these people in the rear - they are easier to ditch than to return to Kiev. "SP": - bookable we expect a breakthrough or a desire to live and common sense locked in the boiler will prevail over the military criminal orders? - Well, who -That certainly seep - especially now that it is easier to make than a Ilovaiskaya.However, given the logic of Kiev, which I mentioned above, the Ukrainian command will do everything in his power to most of the trapped in the "pot" of the military have stayed there forever. "SP": - The Ukrainian authorities do not fear that at this rate even 3 -4 similar boiler, and for them physically there will be nobody to fight? - Well, you see how fast is another "moGilizatsiya" ?! 

They believe that Ukraine has enough cannon fodder to throw it and throw in more and more "boilers". The worst thing that killed the most hard-working, young, active population of Ukraine! This Kiev just kills even the theoretical possibility of the coming revival of the economy - because soon no one will not only fight, but also to work! "SP": - In the case of a hypothetical break and response BCH, as will the international community react?

 - So we can already see, it reacts! If we consider that a "world opinion" recent decades meant solely the opinion of Washington, it is enough to look at the reaction of the US Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payette. Every day he blows a "violation of the Minsk Agreement," requiring "pro-Russian separatists" stop sweep Debaltseve. In this case, note that any statements "Azov" about continuing the assault Shirokino or the even more scandalous statements "Aydar" that he "crossed the Donets and reached the Russian border," the ambassador did not respond! 

Always will be, as soon as the DNI will take the offensive - the United States will remember the Minsk Agreement, as soon as the attack Ukraine - Washington will be hard to keep quiet. In this sense, illusions feed not worth it. The situation with debaltsevskim "pot" commented in detail the ex-head of the Moscow press service of the Foreign Ministry in Moscow DNR Daria Mitin. - The fact that the "pot" in the area was closed Debaltseve eve of the Minsk talks, Ukrainian President Poroshenko in Minsk persistently denied. 

Yes, and it is unclear whether his stubborn refusal to acknowledge the reality of the result of misinformation, which he richly force-fed the General Staff, or conscious propaganda lies, calculated on a purely Ukrainian domestic audience. Today, of the "pocket" the sound of hysterical appeals hostages caught up in it (most leaders and fighters Turbat, who with communication better than the soldiers APU) for help - to bring up food and ammunition, which at the end. Curator punitive battalion "Kryvbas" Mykola Kolesnik said that debaltsevskom "pot" is now surrounded by soldiers "with three Ilovaysk" help them no not provided, calls to the command of the APU on unblocking the boiler or do not reach the destination, or they are ignored. 

The presence of a tightly closed lid "boiler" is directly reflected in the fact that travel on the territory surrounded by BCH was unable OSCE mission does not refer to the leadership of the Republic in the prescribed manner and made ​​an unsuccessful attempt to drive yourself. In fact, even if you factor out the propaganda fanfare Ukrainian General Staff, during the last few days of command APU really behaved as if he was not aware of blocking all roads: several carts full of food and ammunition were sent natural surroundings and predictably came at the disposal of BCH - militia, of course, with happy to take it all, simultaneously arresting those who brought it. 

A few days ago the car radio intelligence with all ciphers, codes and keys just drove to the location of the militia, to their great joy. Thus, the adequacy of ideas about reality Ukrainian General Staff there are many doubts. "SP": - What real guarantees given to those who lay down their arms? - Since the collapse of boiler cover BCH command announced that it has no purpose to burn alive 5-8 thousand person or starve them, and offered unhindered access provided complete disarmament. Guarantor of "ukrovoennym" Putin spoke of life, it is specifically stated in Minsk. 

However, until now Kiev is trying to pretend that nothing is happening, thus confirming that several thousand cannon fodder they simply written off. Order of the voluntary surrender of the soldiers captured not given and will not be given - Kiev junta fears aloud recognize major defeat comparable to Ilovaiskaya defeat and the loss of Donetsk airport, preferring to figure defaults rescue thousands of its citizens from certain death. Along the trails leading to Debaltseve, now hundreds of charred bodies of soldiers who have attempted to get out of the environment, "a cunning plan of Kiev", apparently, is to turn them into thousands.surrendered prisoner recruits washed and fed, most likely, most of them keep in captivity will not, and will try to give your hands a native, as already practiced before.

The fate of those who do not surrender voluntarily in the near future, alas, is unenviable. Punishers of Turbat and so captured trying not to take, but the soldiers APU would like to recommend not to undertake independent attempts to get out of the environment and will be in their families. "SP": - Can we expect to break out from the inside or outside? - Judging that APU for everything these days and have not taken a clear-cut attempt to release encircled on the wall breakthrough "boiler" no elementary forces. Militia several times declared that attempts to release "ukroarmiey" taken, but were repulsed the army of New Russia, all limited to the local skirmishes. 

Under these conditions, when unlocking blow impossible, the only available option, fit into the framework of common sense would have been ordered to disarm and surrender, or an appeal to the BCH command an organized withdrawal of soldiers without weapons through the corridor. Instead, there was a mad order to "stay until the end" and organize a breakthrough from within its own. Military genius commander Muzhenko manifested itself in all its splendor. 

However, since February 10 small groups (3-5 people) Ukrainian military, tired to wait articulate orders, surrendering yourself. It should be noted that among them were mostly officers, apparently, to recruit information about the possibility of surrender just do not get it.

Finally, yesterday a thin trickle of surrendering began to turn into a deep river - this morning organized surrendered more than 300 soldiers and officers. Surrender happens for a reason, and against the background of vigorous cleansing "pot" by the BCH - to date almost all the urban development of the city Debaltseve was already under the control of the army of New Russia, scattered groups "ukrovoennyh" resist, scattered across the private sector and outskirts of the city. 

It is obvious that a complete surrender Debaltseve - business the next few days, after which the front line, and it's time to adjust to other operational objectives, and the Minsk Agreement in large part lost its relevance and meaning. In the meantime By 14 o'clock the President of Ukraine Poroshenko said the disqualification Ukrainian troops from Debaltseve."Today we can say that now came out 80 pieces, waiting for two more columns. I went 128 (brigade) and units of the 30th (team), and the rest - the 25th Battalion, the remains of the 40th, the National Guard and the police special forces, "- said Poroshenko. 

The head of the Ukrainian state still denies the existence of the "pot"."We argued and argued that Debaltseve is under our control and there was no entourage," - said the president of Ukraine Ukrainian media. According to him, the withdrawal of troops carried out a "planned and organized." At the same time, according to the activists of the Popular Front of New Russia Artem Olkhin, during the withdrawal of Ukrainian military carried out reprisals against civilians Debaltseve."

During the retreat in Debaltseve punishers kill civilians. Punishers, surrendering its position Debaltseve began in senseless rage violently cracking down on peaceful population: no mercy for elderly or children. Shooting is constantly in the areas that our free and try out the peaceful population, most of the homes people have already been killed. Ukrainian army was doing cleaning tough. Directly in the homes of people are killed, corporate headshots in almost all civilians found in dilapidated houses and apartments. 

The evacuation of civilians from Debaltseve was scheduled for 18 February and partially implemented, but remove the civilian population is extremely difficult and dangerous because of the continuing fighting " - said Olkhin in his blog.According to volunteer with the call sign "Horn", now most of the soldiers trying to get out of the APU environment and moves to the locality Logvinova staying on track Debaltseve-Artemovsk. 

According to volunteer in the "pot" to the middle of the day remained until 3500 Ukrainian soldiers. According to 16 hours Moscow time on Debaltseve on the roof of a nine-house, raised the flag of New Russia. As representatives of the militia, in this building were recently Ukrainian snipers and spotters fire. On the critical position of Kiev troops are forced to speak and Ukrainian journalists. "Faith in the success in their eyes can not see. They are tired and they do not understand the orders that they give the command. They also tend to believe that Debaltseve things are very bad, and most likely, it really is not operational environment, and the boiler. 

You can call it whatever you like, but the situation there is little controlled by the Ukrainian army "- according to the magazine "Today we can say that now came out 80 pieces, waiting for two more columns. I went 128 (brigade) and units of the 30th (team), and the rest - the 25th Battalion, the remains of the 40th, the National Guard and the police special forces, "- said Poroshenko. The head of the Ukrainian state still denies the existence of the "pot". "We argued and argued that Debaltseve is under our control and there was no entourage," - said the president of Ukraine Ukrainian media. According to him, the withdrawal of troops carried out a "planned and organized." 

At the same time, according to the activists of the Popular Front of New Russia Artem Olkhin, during the withdrawal of Ukrainian military carried out reprisals against civilians Debaltseve. "During the retreat in Debaltseve punishers kill civilians. Punishers, surrendering its position Debaltseve began in senseless rage violently cracking down on peaceful population: no mercy for elderly or children. Shooting is constantly in the areas that our free and try out the peaceful population, most of the homes people have already been killed. 

Ukrainian army was doing cleaning tough. Directly in the homes of people are killed, corporate headshots in almost all civilians found in dilapidated houses and apartments. The evacuation of civilians from Debaltseve was scheduled for 18 February and partially implemented, but remove the civilian population is extremely difficult and dangerous because of the continuing fighting " - said Olkhin in his blog. According to volunteer with the call sign "Horn", now most of the soldiers trying to get out of the APU environment and moves to the locality Logvinova staying on track Debaltseve-Artemovsk. 
According to volunteer in the "pot" to the middle of the day remained until 3500 Ukrainian soldiers. According to 16 hours Moscow time on Debaltseve on the roof of a nine-house, raised the flag of New Russia. As representatives of the militia, in this building were recently Ukrainian snipers and spotters fire. On the critical position of Kiev troops are forced to speak and Ukrainian journalists. "Faith in the success in their eyes can not see. They are tired and they do not understand the orders that they give the command. They also tend to believe that Debaltseve things are very bad, and most likely, it really is not operational environment, and the boiler. 

You can call it whatever you like, but the situation there is little controlled by the Ukrainian army "- according to the magazine "Today we can say that now came out 80 pieces, waiting for two more columns. I went 128 (brigade) and units of the 30th (team), and the rest - the 25th Battalion, the remains of the 40th, the National Guard and the police special forces, "- said Poroshenko. 

The head of the Ukrainian state still denies the existence of the "pot". "We argued and argued that Debaltseve is under our control and there was no entourage," - said the president of Ukraine Ukrainian media. According to him, the withdrawal of troops carried out a "planned and organized." 

At the same time, according to the activists of the Popular Front of New Russia Artem Olkhin, during the withdrawal of Ukrainian military carried out reprisals against civilians Debaltseve."During the retreat in Debaltseve punishers kill civilians. Punishers, surrendering its position Debaltseve began in senseless rage violently cracking down on peaceful population: no mercy for elderly or children. Shooting is constantly in the areas that our free and try out the peaceful population, most of the homes people have already been killed. Ukrainian army was doing cleaning tough. 

Directly in the homes of people are killed, corporate headshots in almost all civilians found in dilapidated houses and apartments. The evacuation of civilians from Debaltseve was scheduled for 18 February and partially implemented, but remove the civilian population is extremely difficult and dangerous because of the continuing fighting " - said Olkhin in his blog.

According to volunteer with the call sign "Horn", now most of the soldiers trying to get out of the APU environment and moves to the locality Logvinova staying on track Debaltseve-Artemovsk. According to volunteer in the "pot" to the middle of the day remained until 3500 Ukrainian soldiers. According to 16 hours Moscow time on Debaltseve on the roof of a nine-house, raised the flag of New Russia. As representatives of the militia, in this building were recently Ukrainian snipers and spotters fire. 

On the critical position of Kiev troops are forced to speak and Ukrainian journalists. "Faith in the success in their eyes can not see. They are tired and they do not understand the orders that they give the command. They also tend to believe that Debaltseve things are very bad, and most likely, it really is not operational environment, and the boiler. You can call it whatever you like, but the situation there is little controlled by the Ukrainian army "- according to the magazine

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